Patient Experience Series #1: Catherine’s Facelift

Summer Hardy (00:01):
Welcome to Park Avenue Plastic Surgery class, the podcast where we explore controversies in breaking issues in plastic surgery. I'm your co-host, Summer Hardy, a medical student in New York City. I'm excited to be here with Dr. Lawrence Bass, Park Avenue plastic surgeon, educator and technology innovator. Today's episode is the start of a new series, our patient experience series. This episode will discuss facelift. So what's the idea behind the series, Dr. Bass?

Dr. Lawrence Bass (00:28):
This podcast covers trends in plastic surgery, technical details, how plastic surgery is done, and what each of the procedures accomplishes. I also give a lot of advice about decision-making, and a lot of this is common sense and sorting through the noise and hype that's out on the internet by adding a little dose of reality. Basically, I'm sharing my expert perspective as a Park Avenue plastic surgeon of 30 plus years. That's valuable, but that's not the whole story. I haven't lived through the experience of having every surgical procedure firsthand. I've had lots of feedback from my patients about what the experience was like, and that's influenced what I tell patients about procedures. Still, hearing some of that experience directly from patients is going to be valuable for anyone considering a procedure or preparing to have one.

Summer Hardy (01:35):
That sounds like a really important addition to what we provide for the listeners. Who are we talking to today?

Dr. Lawrence Bass (01:42):
Well, I have one of my very lovely patients who has graciously agreed to join us and discuss her experience having a facelift. And this takes a lot of courage and a lot of generosity to go public, so to speak, because in my part of the country in the Northeastern United States, most people keep things quiet. They don't say that they've done something even though everyone is doing things. But my patient Catherine has joined us, and I'd like to welcome you, Catherine, to the podcast, and thank you for coming.

Catherine (02:22):
I'm thrilled to be here, Dr. Bass, my favorite physician.

Summer Hardy (02:27):
Welcome, Catherine. So just to start things off, I want to ask what specific features did you see in photos or the mirror that made you start thinking about plastic surgery?

Catherine (02:36):
That's a really good first question because I started noticing my neck in particular. I believe Dr. Bass performed a partial facial, but a neck lift, and I just couldn't stand the way it looked in the mirror. And in photographs, I'd be holding my grandson and he looked so adorable, and I'd lean down into him and I could see those lines, lines of skin. Was it horrendous? No, but it was something that really, really bothered me. So I did start about six years ago to just try and figure it out, maybe find the right doctor for me, save some money. I had a facelift fund, and it all worked out when I found Dr. Bass.

Dr. Lawrence Bass (03:28):
This is actually a very common complaint that hanging skin in the neck is particularly undesirable. It definitely pegs you at a later decade. A lot of folks, even in their 30s and 40s, have a little bit of cheek grouping or a little bit of deepening of their folds, but getting a big gel or getting a very indistinct jawline or hanging skin in the neck is definitely a sign of being older. The nice thing is facelifting and neck lifting do the best job on those features, the hanging skin in the neck and sharpening in the jawline and eliminating the gel. And so we definitely ended up in the right place for the right reasons.

Summer Hardy (04:17):
And what was the consultation like?

Catherine (04:19):
Well, I was referred to Dr. Bass from one of my lady bosses. She had a totally different procedure done, and I thought I'd like to go and have a consultation. I did go that day for just a little bit of Botox here, and I loved the way he performed the procedure. And then we started to talk about a possible facelift, neck lift. Bonded immediately because what he was telling me and how he proceeds is what I was looking for. I didn't want anything dramatic. I didn't want anything stretched. I didn't want what we, I think Dr. Bass and I call it the West Coast look as compared to the East Coast look. I wanted to look refreshed. I wanted the neck lifted, but nothing drastic. And he was saying everything that I would hoped that he would say. And I didn't book it right away.

(05:17):
I did have other familial responsibilities that I had to take care of. Actually, I believe Dr. Bass, I waited a whole year. And then when the time was right, I went in and I said, "I'm ready." And then we were ready within two months, I think, to perform the procedure.

Dr. Lawrence Bass (05:35):
And you mentioned before that you started thinking about this six years earlier, so this has really been a long journey for you. And I think that's an important thing. Part of it is when you're medically ready, there's enough aging change, enough loose skin showing that you'll benefit from the procedure in a noticeable and meaningful way. But part of it is also when you are ready in your head, when you feel that you've had enough of looking at it, when you feel like you are ready psychologically and it's a good time in your life with the other things that are going on. That's important too, and all of those conditions need to be met before it's probably a good idea for going ahead. But does that mean you didn't have any doubt in your mind or was there still a little voice saying, "Is this a good idea?"

Catherine (06:33):
No doubt in my mind at all. I just really, I work full-time. I have two children, I have two grandchildren, and I take care of my very, very elderly aunt. She's still alive. She's 102. But I had to make sure that everything was in place. I had to make sure I could have an aid for her, of course, while the procedure was surgery day and then some rehab after that. But no, the timing just turned out to be right. I also waited Dr. Bass till December. I thought that would be a really good time. Dr. Bass also thought that that would be a good time. I wouldn't want to go out in the sun. I wouldn't have that longing. I am a child of the 70s and I love to go out in the sun. It was just no doubt in my mind about the procedure, but the timing just had to fall into place, and it did last December 2025.

Summer Hardy (07:30):
That's great to hear. You answered this a little bit before, if I wanted to circle back to give you a chance to add anything, but why did you choose Dr. Bass as your surgeon?

Catherine (07:41):
We just clicked right away. It was what I had been thinking about and what I had dreamed about was his philosophy, was his approach to facelift neck lift. Yeah, I went online. I saw some before and after pictures. My lady boss had had a procedure and was so impressed with him and the facility, which I think also plays a major role. It's close to my home. His operating room is just absolutely spectacular, and his staff is also spectacular. So there was a whole combination of things, but I think everything that I hoped to hear from a surgeon, he was telling me on that consultation day.

Dr. Lawrence Bass (08:27):
That raises a really key point because the connection and the communication is really important. I try very hard to listen to what people are telling me, listen to what concerns them, because I might see 10 different things, but that doesn't mean they should touch any of them. It has to be about what's bothering them, and we have to approach it in a way that works for them. Of course, it has to be a real way that works by Mother Nature's principles as well, but that communication and that relationship is just as important as technical excellence. And of course, you want a board certified plastic surgeon. You want someone with extensive experience focused on aesthetic surgical procedures, not done a few or seen a few, but really focused in that area. And that technical excellence and experience is of course irreplaceable and it's an absolute necessity.

(09:36):
But a good working relationship is also an absolute necessity because it is a process. There is going to be a lot of time spent together. And if you enjoy spending time together, you enjoy the connection. It's going to be a very pleasant experience. And if you're just putting up with it to get the result, it's just not as much fun. And even though this is serious business, it should also be fun or as pleasant as it can be. And the staff, which you alluded to, Catherine, is a big part of that. And having people who really enjoy working with others, who are having fun bringing the experience for you makes a big difference. And I'm very fortunate to work with a really exceptional group of people. And I think most of my colleagues try to do the same. That's really important. But the style of each practice is a little different.

(10:34):
And we've said this on the podcast a number of times, that finding a surgeon whose style matches yours is just as important as are they going to do this facelift technique or that facelift technique? In some ways it's even more important because they know technically how to get you as close to an optimum result as possible. It's hard for you to substitute your judgment for their decades of training and experience, but you know whether they're hearing you, whether they're responding, and whether you're going to feel comfortable working with them through the course of the procedure and the recovery.

Catherine (11:18):
No, 100%. I agree with everything that Dr. Bass just said. It's like a puzzle. If all of the puzzle pieces fit together, then you move forward.

Summer Hardy (11:28):
Definitely. You also kind of answered this next question, but just to bring it up again for listeners, how did you prepare for the procedure?

Catherine (11:36):
Physically, I don't think I did anything out of the ordinary to prepare. Dr. Bass and I discussed some antibiotics that I would be taking that day, but it was all outside of the actual procedure as far as prep. I had to make sure my aunt had her aid. I had to make sure that my kids were available to pick me up. I have two daughters, and actually on that day, my younger daughter took me to the facility and then my older daughter brought me home. So they did come through for me 100%, I'd have to say. They did a really good job, but that was the extent of really the prep.

Dr. Lawrence Bass (12:24):
And that's a big part of it also, that you need adequate support having planning and organization because it's not going to be the usual routine for a week or two. And if you planned for that and you have good support, that's great. We can add additional go-home nurses or staffing or aides, people who can help care for you for folks who don't have anyone. But it's nicer if it's somebody familiar who's responsible, who's part of your family, and who's going to be supportive.Because sometimes family members have funny feelings about you having plastic surgery. And sometimes out of concern, they don't want to see anything bad happen to you. Sometimes out of not so good motivations like jealousy, they're not as supportive as they could be. So most people know if their family's going to fit the bill or not, and it sounds like your daughter stepped up and made sure you were well taken care of.

Catherine (13:31):
No, they certainly did. They kept saying, "Mom, go for it."

Dr. Lawrence Bass (13:35):
Well, that's good. That's good. So you raised them right.

Catherine (13:40):
Oh, well, that's another story. That's another podcast.

Summer Hardy (13:43):
It's great to hear that you had a lot of support from them. So now moving on to the actual day, what was your experience like?

Catherine (13:51):
It couldn't have been more seamless. My daughter popped the new baby in the car. We went over there. Everything was ready. Dr. Bass was ready. Olivia, his nurse, was someone that I really had bonded with over the consultation, and then the pre-op situation. I had Kathy as your operating room nurse. I had Dr. Mann as my anesthesiologist. It was like one big happy family. I have to say, it was the smoothest surgery. I haven't had that many. Well, this is the only one I've had on my face, but I've had other procedures done, and this was absolutely seamless. The facility is immaculate. It was seamless. It took some time. I think it was three and a half hours, Dr. Bass. I can't remember exactly, but everything went according to plan. And I woke up and I didn't really even feel that badly. The anesthesia was fabulous, wore off rather quickly.

(14:57):
And it was, I hate to say it, it was kind of a piece of cake.

Dr. Lawrence Bass (15:02):
Well, we try hard to make it that way. And there's a lot of moving parts behind the scenes that go into us working hard so that it's very easy and very relaxing as opposed to anxiety provoking on your end. And it's picking the right, as I said, the right kind of people. So the staff make a difference. They have to be clinically excellent, but this is elective and we want to make it as pleasant and easy as we can, even though it's still medical care.

Summer Hardy (15:39):
You have incredible memory for remembering everyone's name from that day, by the way.

Catherine (15:45):
Well, thank you.

Summer Hardy (15:46):
Yeah. So now onto recovery. How did you feel in that first week looking in the mirror? I imagine there was some bruising and some swelling. How did you feel knowing that you had to stay calm and knowing that that would soon pass?

Catherine (16:02):
I was pleasantly surprised. There was very minimal bruising, very minimal, and rather minimal swelling around the jaw. But I was pleased with how my face and body reacted. And I know it's quite a drastic procedure. He's doing a lot of work under the skin, repositioning. I'm going to let him discuss more about how he does it, but I was pleased with the way I looked and a little shocked. I thought there would be more swelling, more bruising. It was very minimal.

Dr. Lawrence Bass (16:42):
So this is something that we work very hard on because most of the recovery time before you can go back to the outside world and resume most of your normal activities relates to appearance, waiting for enough of the bruising and swelling to dissipate that you're presentable for social and work activities. So I don't want to call them tricks. There are a lot of medical maneuvers that we use in modern plastic surgery to help minimize bruising and swelling to help it resolve as quickly as possible. Still, bruising and swelling varies a lot from person to person, but on average we've been able to drag the amount down and even further down so that people can get out and about earlier than in days past.

Catherine (17:37):
Sounds good to me.

Summer Hardy (17:39):
And I know you mentioned that you had a lot of numbness still, but in general, later on in the recovery period, what did it feel like? Did you have a lot of pain? How did you manage the pain if you had any?

Catherine (17:51):
Very minimal pain. It was shocking to me how minimal it was. You know, I shouldn't say this, Dr. Bass, but two Advils and a beer just make everything go away. That's just a joke. I did not take any pain pills. It was just some, I believe I just took some Advil or whatever he had told me to take. And it wasn't that bad and I was back to work in five days.

Dr. Lawrence Bass (18:16):
So I think it was probably Tylenol because Advil

Catherine (18:20):
Can - I'm sorry,

Dr. Lawrence Bass (18:21):
You're absolutely correct. More bruising. Right. So we usually like Tylenol, and that works most of the time for most folks. I typically will prescribe some stronger pain reliever just in case. And I would say the average patient takes three or four tablets and then they're just on Tylenol. And some patients take none at all. And one out of 20 patients ends up taking most of them. But for most folks, one of the nice things about the facelift and the neck lift are that they're not particularly painful.

Catherine (18:58):
I'm going to agree.

Summer Hardy (19:00):
And you mentioned only five days before you had to return to work. What about how many days before you could take care of yourself or you felt comfortable leaving your house?

Catherine (19:09):
Oh no, I could take care of myself right away. No, I dismissed my daughter. She came home. She had purchased for me some soft foods, yogurts and ice cream and fun stuff. Oh, I could take care of myself right away. She did come over the following day to check on me. No, I was fine. I felt fine. The one drawback, and I know this is just something that I don't care for. You do have to sit up after the procedure at night or lie back a little bit. Lying on my back is not for me. So it was small things like that that were a shade bothersome, but no, not my face or neck area.

Dr. Lawrence Bass (20:00):
So that is a little vexing for a lot of folks if they're used to sleeping on their side or if they have back trouble. Sometimes it's uncomfortable to be propped up either on a few pillows or reclining in an easy chair or something like that. I don't think it's necessary to be in a recliner or an easy chair, although some patients just feel safer that way because they know they won't accidentally be flat. And how long you need to do that very surgeon to surgeon, I feel that after probably five days, it's okay to sleep on your side carefully. Still a little propped up, not totally flat in bed. But for people that are not accustomed to sleeping on their back, that's often one of the more troublesome parts of the recovery is that they're kind of forced onto their back at least for a few days.

(21:01):
I agree.

Summer Hardy (21:03):
And what were the extra hidden costs, if any, like prescriptions or garment or any follow-up massages, things like that?

Catherine (21:12):
No hidden costs. Dr. Bass suggested just Aquaphor. A lot of Aquaphor replacement on the face and neck area. I waited a whole year to book my procedure. Dr. Bass, his price was the same. The anesthesia bill was slightly higher because I think I waited that year, but there were actually no hidden costs.

Dr. Lawrence Bass (21:39):
This is actually a very timely subject because there's a lot of attention on the associated treatments, post-op recovery aids that people are using along with the surgery. And some surgeons will charge these out separately or they're delivered by somebody else, not the surgeon, so they don't have any control over that cost. Things like hyperbaric oxygen, lymphatic massage. There are all kinds of different things, cooling masks that circulate cold fluid instead of a cold compress to help keep bruising and swelling to a minimum or to help speed healing. And some of these things can become quite costly. Some of them are quite cumbersome. It's controversial how much they contribute to the recovery, improving the recovery experience. They probably don't contribute to improving the final result. So it's more of a permissive thing. But most surgeons will try to roll as many things as possible into their fee for the surgery.

(22:55):
If it's something that my office can offer, we generally offer that as part of the surgery. So people who might have unexpectedly more swelling can get ultrasound treatments from us that will help knock that swelling back. Most patients don't need it. If again, someone gets outsized bruising, we can do some laser treatments that start to break up the bruising much more quickly. But again, most patients don't need it, but it's good to have some of these extra options. However, if something happens, there's a medical issue, there's an infection, then there may be extra prescriptions. There might be a visit to an additional doctor and that can add an unexpected cost. So there's always the potential that mother nature can surprise us with something unexpected that adds cost, but you shouldn't have a lot of surprise expense. If healing is progressing normally, the whole process should be part of what you're offered, and that's how most surgeons choose to do it.

(24:06):
And if they choose to break it out into individual charges, that really should be related to you in advance so that you know what you're signing up for.

Summer Hardy (24:17):
Okay. So now did the final result match your expectations? In what ways? Yes. In what ways no?

Catherine (24:24):
Well, I'd have to say a hundred percent yes. I'm thrilled. I went back to work five days later. I worked from home remotely for a couple days, and I felt well enough to come back to the office. It's not a large office, which is great. And I have a private office. My boss saw me, my male boss, and he thinks that Dr. Bass is a magician. Those are his exact words. He said, "Who's your doctor again? I think he's a magician." He was thrilled with the way I looked. And I did wear a hoodie just to keep my ears kind of covered. And it was winter. So I didn't look out of the ordinary wearing a hoodie for maybe the next week at work, but I was fine to drive. I was fine to work. He thought I looked great. My kids were absolutely thrilled.

(25:22):
I just remembered a story. My brother-in-law and sister came to visit just three weeks later and I hadn't told them yet. And they weren't really surprised. I did want to tell them. And I did when they walked in, but they were looking like, "Wow, you just look spectacular." So that was kind of fun. But I just had an experience. I don't tell people, I'm not going to run around saying, look at my neck or look at my face. I haven't seen my girlfriend, a very close friend of mine, and I saw her out of the blue last weekend, so I haven't seen her for three years. And we're very close. We had babies together and we're just too busy now to get together. And she lives far away on the island. But when she saw me and she knows me so well, she said, "What have you done?

(26:17):
You look great." So she knew right away and she was comfortable enough to say to me, "Cath, what did you do?" And she was very excited about it. But no, I've just gotten very, very, very positive feedback and has met all of my expectations.

Summer Hardy (26:36):
That's really great to hear. I'm glad. This next set of questions, I'm not sure if you'll actually have an answer for, but what was the most unexpected part of the recovery and what was the hardest physical restriction?

Catherine (26:48):
Well, I think I've already answered it a little bit because just, I know it's crazy, but just lying on my back. I think it was for a week, Dr. Bass, maybe just a week to 10 days. And you yourself, your body will tell you when, well, of course you get the go-ahead from Dr. Bass. But you can lie on one ear on your side and then lie on the other ear because there is a lot of stitching behind your ears. And actually in front of your ears as well, there's only a couple in the front of the ear and easily hidden with maybe hair or I'd wear the hoodie. Not too many issues. Just that lying on my back was my major issue.

Summer Hardy (27:31):
Okay. And looking back, what do you wish someone had told you before you went into the operating room?

Catherine (27:36):
Guts? This is going to sound a little crazy, but how easy it is. I was absolutely, absolutely shocked. The minimal amount of pain, the minimal amount of bruising, but of course that was my body managing the procedure. It can be totally different for another person. I've had this discussion with Dr. Bass before. I said, "It's one thing to look at a face and take the photos and discuss what you want." I actually didn't tell Dr. Bass what I wanted. I just sat there and he told me what he thought would be a good procedure for me, my facial structure, my bone structure, my skin. And I let really him decide. I have to say I had so much confidence in him, I let him decide. But I never dreamed that it would be that easy. So that's just a really good result for me.

Dr. Lawrence Bass (28:37):
So I think there are a couple of important details there. You are a hundred percent right that everyone's going to react a little differently. You're a very high energy person. You're very athletic, you're very healthy. And so your ability to bounce back from a procedure is that much better. But I would say mostly patients have an experience that's closer to yours than closer to feeling like they were hit by a Mack truck. That's the more common flavor of experience, although it varies a little from individual to individual. But just to draw a little bit of a distinction on picking procedures, so as you said earlier in the podcast, you know what you noticed, what was bothering you, and what you wanted addressed in the procedure. That's an important patient preference input, but then picking the method of correcting that unwanted feature, that bothersome feature is something that the surgeon is trained and equipped to answer for you.

(29:56):
Now, sometimes there's more than one option or sometimes there's a Good option and a compromise option, and you sort of pick which one is a better fit. Yeah, it is incumbent on the surgeon to advise you, "Here's how medicine solves this problem in current plastic surgery care." But it's incumbent on the patient to say, "Here's what bugs me. Here's what I'm seeing. Here's why I showed up in the office." So there's a little bit of input on both sides. It's not, "Don't worry, I know what you need. I'll tell you what bothers you. I'm not Steve Jobs. I'm not going to tell you what you need or what you ought to want, but I will tell you from a technical point of view how plastic surgeons solve the problem that you're presenting me with."

Catherine (30:50):
100% agree.

Summer Hardy (30:53):
And you've also answered this already, but just to give you another opportunity about how friends and family members have reacted to the procedure and what comments you've gotten.

Catherine (31:04):
Yeah, I mean all 100% positive. My aunt was in assisted living at this time, and some of her aides think that I'm quite a bit younger than I am. So that was, I take as very, very positive feedback. But no, I mean, short and sweet, all positive feedback.

Summer Hardy (31:30):
That's great to hear. And then my last question is, what is your number one piece of advice to someone who's terrified of having a facelift done?

Catherine (31:40):
That's a difficult question. Every surgical procedure, there is a bit of terror involved. Of course, you're going to be under anesthesia. There will be stitches. There will be the actual procedure, but I wouldn't call it terrified. If you are so terrified, then you don't proceed. You have to feel confidence in the doctor 100%. I just want to say one aside, I had to take my daughter to visit a surgeon for a completely unrelated kind of surgery. And we sat down and within 20 minutes we knew that he wasn't for us. And as we left the office, she looked at me, she goes, "We're never going back there, mommy." I said, "You're right." So number one, it's confidence in the person that will be performing the procedure. Well, that's really the major one I would have to say. You shouldn't be terrified. Do all your research.

(32:42):
Go see multiple doctors. Feel confident in your decision. Feel confident in your surgeon. Be confident in where you're going to be operated on. And then you shouldn't really be terrified. You can have, of course, some anxiety. I really didn't. I'm pretty calm. Once I make my decision, I really feel very calm and really sure that I have made the right decision for myself. I don't know. You shouldn't really be terrified if you do your research, if you find the right surgeon, if you plan ahead. And then for me, it was really rather easy, shockingly easy.

Summer Hardy (33:28):
Those are all great pieces of advice.

Catherine (33:30):
Oh, good.

Summer Hardy (33:30):
This conversation has really added a whole new dimension to my understanding of the facelift. What takeaways do you have for us, Dr. Bass?

Dr. Lawrence Bass (33:38):
Well, just summarizing a lot of what Catherine and I have talked about over the last 30 minutes or so, any surgery's going to be a significant event in your life and a facelift is no different. So you do have to plan for a change in your routine, plan for some support during recovery, and that's both relief from household and work obligations and also emotional support. But that being said, facelift is not an ordeal. It doesn't need to be that way. And in fact, it's faster, easier, more reliable, less recovery than it's ever been before. People worry very much, are they going to look like themselves? I mean, that doesn't seem to have been something that Catherine worried about a lot, but many patients do worry about that. And a well-performed facelift in skillful hands, you should look perfectly natural. You should look like yourself. It doesn't change who you look like.

(34:45):
It just turns the clock back. Recognize there's variation in an experience, so everyone's going to have a little different experience in recovery profile. But I think a lot of what Catherine went through is pretty characteristic of what a modern facelift experience is like. It's not really your grandmother's facelift. It's natural to be anxious, but you have to wait to judge the result. You have to wait for incisions to fade. But once you're several months down the line, thing is in good shape and you typically don't have incision concerns. And again, we can ask Catherine to just say a word about that maybe. Everyone worries about those incisions in front of the ear and your incisions go all the way up in front of the ear and across a little bit of the sideburn, but all those stitches were hidden in the back. Some of them were dissolving.

(35:48):
So it sounds like you didn't even realize that all of that was there and hasn't been an issue for you, has it?

Catherine (35:57):
No, it wasn't an issue at all. Dr. Bass removes the stitches on either side of your ear first. And then after another week or two, I believe he was taking out the incisions behind the ear. And I believe, Dr. Bass, there was few just in the back of the head, very minimal amount of pinching, taking those stitches off. As any skin heals, it's a little bit itchy. There was a little bit of itchiness there and even some itchiness around the jaw and the neck and you're numb. I was for quite a while, but everyone heals differently. No, you don't see any stitches. You don't have to worry. A friend of mine said to me, "But can you go to a wedding two months later?" And I said, "Yes, you could go to a wedding two months later and look really, really presentable." Not wondering, are people going to notice?

(36:56):
Are they going to see anything? No, it does take time to heal. I'm still healing a bit. There's just a little bit of numbness here around my jaw, but the stitching actually was not a big issue.

Summer Hardy (37:13):
Okay. Well, thank you, Catherine, for joining us and sharing your experience. I learned a lot and I think it'll be really useful to our listeners as well.

Dr. Lawrence Bass (37:21):
I'm very grateful to you, Catherine, for being so generous with your time and your personal journey with the facelift. And joining us here, I think Summer's completely correct that listeners are going to find this very useful in their decision-making and preparation. And mostly I'm happy that we did such a satisfactory job for you in making a pleasant experience and a beautiful result that you can enjoy over the years and years to come, as that's what really makes us happy in plastic surgery when we get to do that for folks. And so doing that for you has absolutely been my pleasure, and I hope you get a lot of enjoyment and satisfaction out of the result.

Catherine (38:11):
Well, I was thrilled to be here with you, and thank you for having me join your podcast.

Summer Hardy (38:17):
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